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Comments from Chris Hodrien on “Peak Coal” article – R Heinberg 21may07 (Energy Bulletin- Online Opinion.com

Fred et al,

I guess that this paper, reporting both the key recent ‘maverick’ studies downgrading coal reserves estimates (up to 5/07),  has been a critical input in forming your views on likely future coal reserves. I happened to come across an old printed copy of it and decided to re-read it in depth and ponder.

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In response to a query about reserves, Dr Starr wrote:
(note- it is shocking how people are not aware that our coal reserves are extremely limited,)
Dear Greg,
If no one has anything better, here is a slightly incomplete UK coal production. This has been compiled from various sources over the past few years.
Peak was 1913 when we were exporting 100 million tons at a price of around £1 per ton. This might be equivalent to £50 per ton today (or higher?).
UK coal exports began to get uncompetitive after WWI, and was one of the main reasons for the 1926 General Strike, when the coal owners wanted to reduce wages.
Coal output was insufficient in WWII (and afterwards) and was one reason for sending one in every ten
conscripted men down the mines
UK coal reserves are now given as somewhere between 400-800 million tonnes. Not the billions that everyone supposes.
If the UK energy system was totally dependent on coal, as it used to be, these stocks would last 2-4 years.
Fred Starr.(As Roger Button has pointed out, up to about 1930, virtually all energy in the UK was, at some point in its ultimate delivery to peoples’ houses conveyed in coal trucks  – hauled by coal fired steam engines, either for burning directly in coal fires, or as gas via the local gas works or as electricity via the local power station  – Ed)
A further note from Dr Starr plus the above graph:
Sent: 19 February 2009 02:33
Subject: UK Coal Production 1700 to 2007
Dear All

Here is a graph of UK coal production from 1700

onwards.Output is now approaching the level of the

1820s.

The message is that there is no coal left in the UK.

We are currently importing 50 million tonnes plus/y.

Fred Starr

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Claverton Hydrogen Storage on IGCC Sites

 

Dear Neil

 

You asked if it would be practical to store syngas as a method of allowing IGCC-CCS plants to respond to the overnight fall in demand

 

The prospects of the on-site storage of syngas, to enable an IGCC to vary its output seem limited. The gas that would have to be stored would have to be hydrogen. Otherwise, the processes by which the carbon in the syngas is removed would have continuously vary their throughput. Only the gasifier and air separation unit ( for supply of oxygen) would run at a constant output

 

Unfortunately, a very large amount of gas is produced when gasifying coal. It does not matter whether it is raw gas, purified syngas, or hydrogen. For a plant producing 350 MW of electricity, this would require the storage of about 180 thousand cubic metres of hydrogen an hour.

 

By pressurising the hydrogen to 100 bar, this results in the need for 1800 cubic metres of space. The cheapest way of doing this would be in a 42 inch pipeline, which would need to be two kilometres long.

 

Problem solved?  I don’t think so:

 

1. The most obvious issue is that this is just one hour’s output from a medium sized plant. To deal with the overnight situation, while demand falls, one would need 5-8 hours storage, so the pipeline would have to be 10-15km long

 

2. This calculation assumes that all of the hydrogen can be removed from the pipe. In practice the pressure in the pipe would only be allowed to fall to 50 bar. There are several reasons for this restriction. These include:

 

  • Avoiding the need to compress the hydrogen, once it falls below the required gas turbine burner pressure.

 

  • Minimising fatigue of the pipeline

 

  • Minimising temperature changes in the pipeline because of withdrawal of hydrogen    

     

3. There are questions about embrittlement effects on the high strength steels that are needed for 100bar pipelines. I cannot get a clear answer on this.

 

This fact doubles the length of the pipeline to 20-30 km for just one night’s storage.

 

Other points:

 

Natural gas was stored in large diameter bullets, but this seems to have been less popular than storing the gas in a liquefied form. Furthermore, because of the low calorific value of hydrogen, hydrogen bullets would have to be three times bigger.

 

Hydrogen storage in pipelines becomes practical once there is a large network of high pressure pipelines. This is what I have been saying for several years. As there is no prospect of this being built in the near future, my SNG option is probably the most practical solution, if we are going for an IGCC type process.

 

Dr Fred Starr FIMMM, C.Eng

 

18th Feb 2009

 

 

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The Department of Energy and Climate Change (DECC) had a meeting to discuss the generation costs of energy technologies in November last year. This exercise happens every so often and its objective is to update inputs that might be used in any energy-related modelling work carried out by the department.

The link represent DECC’s initial thinking. It is subject to change and may or may not be published.

They give for example the following costs, all in UK Pounds/kWe:

CCGT – 600 – 690

Coal 1250 – 1500

Onshore wind – 1074

Offshore wind – 1429

The table on the link gives a lot more detail.

 

http://claverton-energy.com/pipermail/claverton-group_claverton-energy.com/2009-January/000351.html

Surprisingly, perhaps (or perhaps not given the historical bias), there is no mention of the capital costs, or the running costs of the cheapest means of cutting CO2 and fuel costs – Combined Heat and Power with District Heating  CHPDH for cities, and micro-CHP for suburbs.

If you have any evidence to suggest that any of the assumptions differ from what is attached in the spreadsheet, you may wish to contact Stephen Green, Senior Economist, Energy Strategy, Security and Markets Directorate Department of Energy and Climate Change, at DECC.

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